Lucia Aniello and Paul W. Downs have discovered a system. Despite sitting only a few toes away from one another, they pop up in separate Zoom packing containers, which suggests one should mute their pc audio to keep away from suggestions for this name, and probably many others the 2 are on collectively. In this case, it’s Aniello who presses just a few buttons on her keyboard earlier than sitting again with a smile. They’re each naturally humorous, relaxed, and enthusiastic about discussing their new present. Maybe that’s as a result of these two achieved the dream of discovering their private and skilled associate in one another, in addition to the extra (strictly) skilled associate in Jen Statsky, and the three have come collectively as creators, writers, and govt producers of Hacks, the wonderful new comedy sequence on HBO Max a couple of stand-up comedy legend and Las Vegas staple named Deborah Vance (Jean Smart), and her new mentee Ava (Hannah Einbinder). The first two half-hour episodes premiere at the moment, with two extra episodes dropping every Thursday for the following 4 weeks.
The trio have beforehand labored collectively on Broad City, and Aniello and Downs additionally wrote the 2017 movie Rough Night, with Aniello directing and Downs taking a task within the forged — which is similar setup they’ve on Hacks, as Aniello lead the manufacturing behind the digital camera and Downs injected laughs into scenes as Ava’s agent. Downs mentions an episode later within the season the place Deborah talks about sharing a humorousness with somebody and says of their intertwining private and skilled relationship, “Especially for comedians, there is something inherently romantic about sharing a sense of humor and enhancing someone’s sense of humor when you joke with someone. It is a love language. So we’re really lucky that we found both someone who we were romantically compatible with, but also comedically compatible with. It’s so nice to be able to work with both Jen and Lucia. Lucia is the love of my life, and Jen is a creative collaborator and one of our best friends, but it also means we get to be with them when we’re making something. I hope that you feel that in the show, the love and the fun that goes on behind the scenes. I don’t want people to be like, oh god, eye roll, they’re just they’re having fun — because it’s also pain and work to make something like this. It takes a village of people, especially during COVID. [But] when you have the kind of affection that we do for each other, I hope that it comes out on screen and through the characters too.” (Spoiler alert: it positively does.)
“At the end of the day, all this stuff is just an excuse for us to be together,” Aniello added, as Downs factors to being away from Aniello whereas she was working on the Netflix sequence The Baby-Sitters Club in Canada in 2019, saying, “I don’t know how people that don’t work on projects together, stay together, because you’re apart for so much. So it’s really nice that we get to actually be together and you know, see each other and hug each other and kiss each other.”
“In video village,” Aniello joked. “HR has cleared everything.”
She has additionally served as an govt producer and director on Awkwafina is Nora From Queens, so with a fast look at their credit, and solely emphasised by Hacks, it’s clear that this staff is liable for telling among the most fascinating, dynamic, and hilarious tales about girls, which Aniello says is definitely “not a conscious choice. We would hope any character that we would create or write towards would hopefully be pretty complex. We tend to have female protagonists in general, but somebody like Marcus (Carl Clemons-Hopkins) is Deborah’s COO, right-hand man, towards the end of the season really is somebody we wanted to unravel his story a little bit more. We’re just writing about people that we feel like have stuff going on beneath the surface.”
“And I think it’s just something that we gravitate towards,” Downs mentioned with a shrug. “I did an interview a couple of years ago, and they were asking, what are your favorite films? And I was like, Mean Girls, and Mrs. Doubtfire, and Tootsie. I named all these movies that were female lead and I was like, Well, I guess I just enjoy watching women be funny. For this particular project, we thought about the characters and the dynamic first, and the fact that the show is very much about women who are cast aside. It was really inherent to the show, but I think it’s the stories that we’re drawn to.”
Luckily, the streaming platform acquired it proper from the beginning. “Suzanna Makkos at HBO Max was very much on board with exactly what we were going for from the first moment we pitched the show,” Aniello mentioned. “We were always on the same page in terms of what the show is from the go and it made the process so much easier, because you don’t always get that with networks or studios.” Downs added that she not solely understood the character, however she additionally helped develop this icon by suggesting they learn Debbie Reynolds’ autobiography. “There are so many women in entertainment, in all of the arts, who she thought were touchstones for the character, so she even opened our mind up to even more source material to draw from,” he mentioned.
We are formally in what my pal Kevin Fallon at The Daily Beast has precisely dubbed The Jean Smartaissance, which has by no means been extra obvious than by her present roles in everybody’s new Sunday night time obsession, Mare of Easttown, however particularly Hacks. When I point out that it feels as if solely she may actually fill the position of Deborah Vance, Aniello and Downs nodded. “When we wrote the character of Deborah, we didn’t have anyone in particular in mind,” Downs mentioned, noting that the comic was an amalgamation of Phyllis Diller, Elaine May, Lucille Ball, Joan Rivers, and Debbie Reynolds. “But when we actually started talking about who would play that part, we wanted someone who could be believable as a comedian, who could sell a joke and do some stand up because it’s so integral to the character. We also needed someone to show the offstage moments, the moments of sadness and loneliness, and the more dramatic parts of the show. When it came down to it, that list is very small. Jean was really at the top of that list. She is so good in Fargo and Watchmen and so many dramas, but also she’s in so many of our favorite [comedies]: Frasier, Designing Women, or in The Brady Bunch movie, she is so funny and she’s a scene-stealer no matter what. So for us to be able to have her at the top of her game lead a show was a dream come true.”
Holding her personal reverse Smart is newcomer Hannah Einbinder as Ava, a author and comic who has been blackballed by the trade after a not-so-great Tweet and takes the job (which doesn’t even actually exist) writing for Vance out of desperation. Aniello recalled seeing actresses not solely from all around the nation, however internationally as properly, with the 25-year-old slapstick comedian touchdown her first ever on-screen position. “Ava starts out being so entitled and bratty and annoying, which was important to us because that gives you somewhere to bring her. We want you to root for her, but where she’s starting out is really hard. You need to want to like that person beyond just the character. Hannah is just such a sweet, lovely, incredibly cool and nice person that I think that you can tell, Okay, this person is not behaving well, but I have a feeling there’s something underneath that is a good heart. I think that that is really a testament to Hannah’s just general likability.”
Oh, and who is aware of find out how to be bratty, and brash, higher than Christopher McDonald, who’s so nice reverse Smart as an boastful Las Vegas on line casino proprietor. “I love him, he is so perfect for the role,” Downs mentioned. “He was in Thelma and Louise, Requiem for a Dream, and has done all of these amazing movies but also: Shooter McGavin. He’s done drama and comedy and is someone who has that gift as well, and we were so lucky because he and Jean have great chemistry.”
Another star of this present, in a blink otherwise you’ll miss it second from the primary episode (which additionally made it into the trailer!) is Sexy Santa, performed by Sam Asghari. If the title doesn’t routinely ring a bell, you aren’t alone. “To be honest, we didn’t know,” Downs admitted. “We were like, yeah, he looked perfect for it, this is great. Lucia and I weren’t aware of his romantic life. He was the best [for the role].” And whereas this isn’t his first on-screen appearing position, off-screen Asghari is maybe greatest often called Britney Spears’ boyfriend. “He was really funny,” Aniello mentioned. “He improvised a ton. He looked like Sexy Santa. He just checked all the boxes and he was really so sweet and funny. We just loved him.”
The identical goes for Smart, as Downs shared, “He also improvised with Jean and I wish we had an extended scene of them improvising because they had a blast together. Jean loved him. He was a natural improviser, it was really great. We’re so glad that we met him because he’s such a nice guy.”
“When the Santa hat fits, you know?” Aniello added.
Hacks leans way more into one other pop star in Episode 2 when Deborah’s private card vendor Kiki, performed by Poppy Liu, drives Ava again to the lodge on line casino the place she’s staying and the 2 embark on a automobile singalong to “Lose You to Love Me” by Selena Gomez that, in the event you’re something like me, may also have you ever signing out loud from your individual house. “We always knew that we wanted the Kiki character to be someone who was closest in age to Ava because Ava obviously is very different in age to Deborah,” Downs defined. “We wanted them to have some fun together because Ava’s working for kind of a nightmare boss, someone who’s really hard on her. One of our writers, Ariel Karlin, wrote into the scene “Lose You to love Me,” which I’ve to confess I had not heard till she wrote it. And for some motive, we have been all like, it’s good. We didn’t even change it. There was no punch-up on it. We have been like, it’s going to be that and thank goodness we’ve got an incredible music supervisor named Matt Biffa, who’s whole genius.”
Aniello drops his earlier credit which embrace Sex Education and I May Destroy You, and reveals that they acquired him to work on the present by sliding into his DMs, telling him “We’re obsessed with you, please please please work on the show.” She additionally added of the scene, “What I really like is that when you see that Kiki likes Ava, it allows you as the audience to be like, there is something nice about Ava when she gets her to sing along with her. You’re like, okay, she’s begrudging and she’s self-involved, but she can be fun. We can like her. And then she belts it hard.” And actually: identical.
Part of the explanation the track is included within the present isn’t just as a result of Gomez is a fellow HBO Max worker with Selena + Chef, however that, in comparison with their earlier work, they’ve acquired an expanded finances to work with as a result of nature of their lead character, particularly in comparison with these on Broad City. “It is true that there is a different tax bracket that we’re playing in, in terms of our leads,” mentioned Aniello. “Even though Deborah does have a lot of money, we tried to at certain points through Ava’s lens, call out the consumerism and the classism, and then balance it out with a slightly different point of view. The first moment Ava sees Deborah’s house, she says, ‘We need a wealth tax.’ So I think you can probably sense our personal point of view on the idea of accumulating massive amounts of wealth.”
“It was really fun to play in that world,” Downs continued. “We shot so much of Broad City on location, and the apartments were small Astoria or Brooklyn apartments. To have a huge mansion to play in was really wild because it meant that when we were shooting the show, we were in video village watching or directing. We had space, so that was brand new for us. Normally, with Broad City, Lucia is on an apple box with a tiny little monitor and we’re all cramped.”
“I spent so many scenes directing from a toilet,” Aniello mentioned. “That’s the only place I can fit. So I’ll just sit on a toilet for like, four or five hours and have to just be like, this is my life. Actually, there was one scene where I still directed from a toilet [in Hacks], too,” naming the intercourse scene within the pilot episode. “I returned to my throne.”
While a lot of Hacks was filmed in Los Angeles, they spent a couple of week in Las Vegas filming exterior scenes, which gave them a brand new appreciation for the town. “I’ve only been to Vegas a couple of times,” Aniello confessed, “And never in the traditional, let’s go to Vegas and have fun. I’ve only really been there for shoots or for work, or for canvassing for a political party.” Co-creator Statsky, nonetheless, is an enormous fan of Vegas and all that it has to supply, together with the exhibits and golf equipment. “I think you get a little bit of both,” Aniello mentioned of the sequence. “You get that people are like, Oh, this is fun. It’s glamorous, and it’s an incredible time. But also you get the hangover and the waking up the next day and the underbelly of it too. It’s kind of like when we did Broad City and people would say, ‘Broad City, such a love letter to New York,’ and we would say it’s a suicide note. So I feel like the way we treat Vegas is kind of similar, where there’s both there’s beauty in it and there’s decay.”
Downs appreciated visiting new areas of the city and mentioned, “Seeing more Vegas, seeing Old Vegas, being outside of the strip, I think Lucia and I have much more of a fondness for Vegas now. It’s a much fuller and real place. A lot of people are tourists and they go there to party and they don’t realize that it’s actually a really thriving place. It’s very diverse with a lot of people that live and work there.”
That stability of magnificence and decay, of enjoyable and darkness, of comedy and drama, which these two are notably nice at reaching, has by no means been higher than it’s in Hacks, which doesn’t shrink back from unhappiness, however all the time is aware of when so as to add the correct amount of foolish right into a scene. “The North Star was always making it feel very true to life,” Downs defined. “That’s the thing in life, is that there are moments that are dark and painful, then you might make a joke truly in the same breath. We wanted it to feel as grounded as possible and luckily, we have two characters who are comedians who are built to tell jokes and to be funny. So hopefully in that way, we were able to be funny consistently, but also show the parts of life that are a little darker and a little sadder. That was always the guiding principle.”
“There were definitely moments that we were aware of that,” Aniello mentioned, and that even once they have been leaning into the melodrama in sure moments, “We always try to gently bring it back into what is the emotional truth of this. Even if it’s something as tiny as the music that’s being played, it was very important to us to always keep things not too broad and sketchy and not too melodramatic and emo, but to bring it in a zone where you could bounce back and forth in a way that felt hopefully seamless and just real. But sometimes life is sketchy and broad and sometimes things are melodramatic.” Thankfully on this present, they’ve hit the jackpot.